The short and simple answer is: possibly not. At least, not at this time. But let's go a little further, beyond the simple answer.

It took four to five years, from the first publications that suggested the term PIE in 2010 to the first settled version in some detail, which we now call 'PIEs 1' - the 'classic' version (HERE).

But even then, by the time that PIEs 1 was becoming established and widespread, there were reasons to look beyond, with new issues coming into view, and others just not well enough covered (HERE).

Although it has some weaknesses (HERE), the PIEs 2 formulation, which came out of that revision, is more comprehensive and yet also allows more focus on clear practical details. But there are two or three areas that are still under-represented.

Outreach and Housing First

The activities and skills in both out-reach and its counterpart, in-reach, are not well specified in the PIEs 2.o format, although both are clearly relevant to the work of, for example, Housing First services (HERE).

Many outreach workers clearly do find the material on this site useful, but they may have to rummage around for insights more specific to their work.

In the meantime we have simply attempted to bring together all the examples and observations most relevant to those who work in other people's environments - those that they must work with, but cannot much control (HERE).

Co-production

There is at least more scope to address user involvement in PIEs 2 than there was in PIEs One. But the language of the revised framework is still largely the language of services, of managers and professionals.

Where services are using a process such as the Pizazz or the PIE Abacus to develop their work as PIEs, they may well wish to involve their service users in giving ther views; but - although efforts to customise the framework are welcome - the perspective is still that of managers and staff.

At a time when when co-production is becoming a central theme for service development, a version of the PIE approach and framework couched more in the language and concerns of service's 'users' (HERE) would be helpful.

PIEs and systems

Most significant of all, there are persistent and growing calls for more sweeping system change, for example in commissioning, both in practice and even in the mindset that has driven commissioning practice (HERE). Addressing such concerns more clearly could have a more widespread beneficial impact.

In some parts of the UK, a recommendation to develop as PIEs is being endorsed, by the devolved governments. But there is as yet little advice or guidance for policy-makers whether at either local or national leve as to what it is they are endorsing, and how to foster an environment in which such services can thrive.

We are working at the moment on a draft for specific guidance for commissioners (contact the editor for details). For more national policy-level interest, we suggest also taking a look at the ideas of one of our closest fellow travellers, the Human Learning Systems approach (HERE).

New versions of the Pizazz?

All together, these would suggest at least the need for a re-worked version of both the Pizazz-on-paper and the PIE Abacus, or 'Pizazz-on-screen' (HERE), using a language and criteria more suited to services' users.

We might possibly want another specifically for out-reach/in-reach and general needs housing (HERE) ; and similarly a revised and more customised versions (possibly two or more) of the Pizazz Handbook.

In the pages linked to here, we will also explore the case for and against a new PIEs 3 (HERE);  and if there were to be such a revised version - or simply a customised version of the Handbook - what issues we might want to focus and re-focus on (HERE).

PIElink pages

Is the PIE evolving? (summary):  HERE

'PIEs 1' - the 'classic' version (HERE).

A very brief future of PIEs (video): (HERE).

Ambition and modesty: (HERE),

The PIEs 2 formulation : HERE

Outreach, in-reach and pathways : (HERE).

Rigidity and system change: (HERE).

The case for and against a new PIEs 3 (HERE);

'PIEs 3' - in detail :   HERE.

Library items

(Please note: you will need to be registered and logged in, to access items from the members' Library.)

Pizazz and the PIE Abacus; the work we now have to do for ourselves: HERE

Learning and Enquiry, and the cycles of practice-based learning: HERE

Outreach

Car, Bus, Tram or Unicorn: my car is a 'Psychologically Informed Environment: HERE

Louise Simonsen on the work of Street Buddies: HERE

The Big Issue HERE

PIEs and 'psychologically informed business environments': HERE

Autism awareness in homelessness: HERE

User involvement

The language of lived experience: HERE

Service users' PIEs assessments: HERE

User involvement in the PIE Abacus: coming soon

The democracy of pidgin: HERE

PIEs in general needs housing

At Home? A study of mental health issues arising in housing: HERE

Visual methods and home-making (Leonie Boland, OT):  HERE

Public health and social housing: a natural alliance?: HERE